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Stuff going on for a long time. i think everyone has what they need. the smoking gun of the "n" word, would it convince already anybody that thinks this president has a problem as far as bias is concerned? will that convention you? and those who will defend him no matter what he says or does, anything that he does is going to be okay. he could shoot somebody on fifth avenue, there are people that said that's fine with them. now, they don't need to hear the tape either. >> i think you make a great tape, speaking of tames, omarosa it sounds like has been taping people for a while. this was the n...

Questions? is the president aware of this -- >> don't go down the road, this is a nonnegotiable conversation. >> reporter: -- >> it's an honor system where everybody knows not to do that. that is a very serious security violation. it's just unthinkable that that would happen. >> reporter: larry pfeifer agrees. it is the most sensitive and most secret and most protected place in the white house. he ran the white house situation room for two years under president obama. he was there when the benghazi attack unfolded, when the president monitored and commanded operations during hurricane sandy. p...

And it's a very serious security violation. you are expected as a responsible member of the president's security team not to do that, or his own white house team. it's kind of unthinkable that that would happen. >> melissa: let's bring back our power panel, shelby holliday and jessica tarlov. shelby, who knew this was going to end like this? anyone who ever watched amoroso on television. you think it's a wonderful idea to bring the television villain into the white house. >> nobody understood what she was doing in the white house or why she was making the top salary, or even what her job was. ...

That could be a fairly widespread practice, which is a very, very dangerous security violation. >> very scary when you're saying you can see why it would happen even as you are saying how dangerous it is. she also, general, talked about sharing more recordings with the special counsel bob mueller himself. here's what she said about that. >> if his office calls again -- >> would you be a witness? >> i'll share anything that they want. i will certainly cooperate. >> so there are a couple things that stood out to me there first. she said if his office calls again. does that surprise you? that's n...

Double check when you're supposed to leave your phone outside. i said perhaps a secure conference room in the country, if not much more than that. how serious of a breach is this? >> well, for me it's very serious and egregious security violation to do that. the system, the way it worked in the last administration, the standard cell phone lockers outside the compounds of the sit room and everybody, you know, if they had one on their person deposit their cell phone in that locker. what i used to do is i'd leave it in my vehicle so i didn't risk forgetting and carrying it in there. but it's actu...