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Point investigation, the justice department says it cannot talk to us just yet. the fact that they took the extraordinary nature suggest this was a 15-month process. many communications with trump and his lawyers, including a meeting in june, that the former president stopped in. something happened between june and august, where the fbi saw a reason, we don't know the specifics, to believe something with it at risk, some document was at threat. just quickly on this point, trump has the power to declassify records. that is true. a, there is a process. the, even if he does classified everything....

About a top aide like this, a cafe in ukraine makes sense to you? >> it's a huge operational security risk. normally when a u.s. ambassador is in a country and going to be communicating with any official in washington, of course including the president, they would do so from a secure facility, probably the embassy, or certainly on a secure phone. and in this case, obviously all of that operational security went out the window. the president was speaking so loudly it was on a cell phone, there were about 15 different security violations. that you might do it if it was an emergency. if there was...

>> sondland never mentioned this other call. i believe in his testimony, he said he couldn't remember there were one or two calls with him and the president. but correct me if i'm wrong, he never mentioned this other call at the dinner that now -- that ambassador taylor referenced one of his aides heard. >> that's right. what's so interesting is you have the president saying well, i really don't know much about the gentleman, except that he gave this gentleman his personal cell phone number and evidently ambassador sondland has him on speed dial. there was probably at least six phone conversat...

We hear this now, third, fourth, fifth-hand. >> first of all, hearsay is like circumstantial evidence. and in most crimes, it's circumstantial evidence that actually solves the crime. and we also have this summary of the president's phone conversation, and then we have his actions afterwards. and now we evidently have mr. sondland talking to the president in which the president says how about the investigation. so it's pretty straight forward. >> sondland never mentioned this other call. i believe in his testimony, he said he couldn't remember there were one or two calls with him and the presi...

>> laura: they should all be prosecuted. >> 600 security violations on the clinton email server criminal prosecutions. >> laura: the kavanaugh leak. >> no prosecutions. there were 27 active investigation into leaks just related to trump. i think there's only been one prosecution. >> laura: this is where the justice department and bill barr have to step up and start making sense of this. this is u.s. tax dollars at work, and our civil liberties, our entire representative democracy is on the line. we have one president. we don't have more branches of government than the three that our framers la...