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Trying to sell a photo and is crossing into that gray area of, hey, it's time to call someone in the security world or to call the police and have a closer look at this guy. >> larry: what does the police do if someone calls -- it's mostly women that are stalked? >> yes. >> larry: all right. a call comes in and says this man has been following me for two, three days? what do you do? >> the police will take a report. just being followed is not stalking. most people believe that -- we use the term loosely when -- that someone is being stalked. the law says that in order to be stalked, the defend...

All he does -- he doesn't have a camera, but he follows her. is that illegal? >> i don't believe that's illegal. it's no different than a paparazzi following a celebrity. you have the right to conduct yourself in the streets. >> larry: when does that follower become a stalker? >> when that -- when that individual is no longer either trying to sell a photo and is crossing into that gray area of, hey, it's time to call someone in the security world or to call the police and have a closer look at this guy. >> larry: what does the police do if someone calls -- it's mostly women that are stalked? >...

Safety. >> larry: a man sees a pretty girl, gets fixated on her. doesn't have a camera, but follows her. is that illegal? >> i don't believe that's illegal. it's no different than a paparazzi following a celebrity. you have the right to conduct yourself in the streets. >> larry: when does that follower become a stalker? >> when that -- when that individual is no longer either trying to sell a photo and is crossing into that gray area of, hey, it's time to call someone in the security world or to call the police and have a closer look at this guy. >> larry: what does the police do if someone ca...

Also is there's been a failure of imagination. that we are reactive in a security world and we've seen ate thousand times. but then if you go work with venues and if you go and talk to venues and say this could possibly happen and they sit there and go wait a minute, anything can happen. what kind of resources do we apply against this. what's the probability. has it ever happened before. what's our exposure. in the security world, as tom knows very well, we do a thread assessment, threat analysis, and we have a formula we do. that doesn't always work in these types of situations. >> james, i'l...

Him, and it's fair to say that that is probably where they were able to develop those leads. megyn: michael, i understand, this is your area of expertise and you specifically covered new york for quite sometime. you say the thing that caught your attention most was the methods he used, the techniques he attempted, if he is in fact connected with some group in pakistan you find this rather surprising. >> in the parlance of the security world it's called trade craft and that's how do you conduct an open race. how do you conduct pre event surveillance. how do you develop your contacts, get materi...