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Together in that way. it's good to see you. joining me for more on this is legal analyst jennifer rogers, former federal prosecutor. let's talk about the seditious charge. >> it's opposed to the conspiracy charges that have already been brought. it requires that they try to overthrow the government or interfere with the workings of government by force. so by force is the key phrase here. you're not just talking about perhaps the plot to put in the fake electors or to -- these other schemes that happened in the leadup to january 6th, but by force. the proud boys, the oath keepers, these are the...

The unsealed indictment of the oath keepers founder stewart rhodes with seditious conspiracy. that's a big deal. >> yes, bret. we talked about the oath keepers in the past. it was clear when we watched that unfold there was a hard core group that came prepared. they had dangerous items and dangerous intentions. and this is that indictment that has finally come down. but out of over 700 people indicted, thousands investigated, there really is only 11 thus far that have been tagged with this sort of seditious charge. and, you know, the indictment is quite strong. what's interesting is whether th...