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The russians, we know what you're doing. you know we know what you're doing. if you want to get into a tit for tat we will win this one. is there serious conversations going on in the u.s. intelligence community about what that tit for tat would look like from an american perspective, what would be the retaliatory measures? >> without disclosing what i know from intelligence briefings that i receive classified information that we receive, certainly there is a lot of consideration about what can be done. you heard dan coats describing the extent of the threat. i thought this summit or whatever ...

Presidents often take chances. certainly richard nixon did with china w-an opening to china. first step towards opening of that country. obviously, that upset a lot of concerns when he did it. nixon also upset a lot of conservatives when he -- same with gerald ford when they pushed detent with the soviets as well. there was a lead up to that, there was a strategy with that. what we have right now -- literally three days since the world has seen the evidence that vladimir putin again in the words of the man donald trump selected to run and oversee our intel agencies, that vladimir putin tried t...

Adversaries, north korea, now we leave a disastrous nato summit and we have the president going to the former head -- former officer in the kgb, vladimir putin, again with a backdrop that suggests that we shouldn't even be taking this meeting because, once again we're putting at the center of the world stage someone who is not only acting badly but also acting directly against america's interests. >> joe, if there's one thing we've learned about donald trump, it's that he likes to be the disrupter, the man who just arrived at the helsinki presidential palace. i suspect is pleased that he left ...

An attempt to undermine american democracy daily. so you attack the eu, you congratulated putin, and he also, of course, called the press in stalin's terminology, enemy of the people. not exactly a lead up to a summit that any of the previous 44 presidents would undertake. what's at stake here and what concerns the world leaders rightly have? >> yeah. it's an extraordinary thing. in the tweet he sent out overnight, our time, that american relations with russia have never been worse not because russia interfered with american elections but because american authorities are investigating russia i...

Permanent. >> this is extraordinary for putin. whatever his plan or his hopes were, this has far exceeded them. no way any russian president could agree this disarray of the western alliance by the leader. any normal president would have done two things over the last week. one, he could have made sure that the foundation of the alliance, u.s./european relations looked robust heading into a summit. that's a foundation of strength. two, all these indictments were to come out from the justice department, he would use that as ammunition to go after a russian president and say this has to stop. her...