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To russia aggression, if they were to recognise that crimea is part of russia or that parts of eastern ukraine are parts of russia, that would be similarly, on the russian side, for them not to control at least at much land after any possible peace agreement as they controlled at the beginning is very hard to imagine, so there is a geographical problem in reaching any agreement, and then there is is a problem of guarantees. if there were to be an agreement, who would guarantee that agreement? ukraine obviously isn't a member of nato, so nato can't guarantee an agreement, and we have seen in 20...

The united states and nato stop providing arms to ukraine, that's what we don't know and that's maybe where there's room for diplomacy. >> we mentioned this earlier. vice president kamala harris saying that the u.s. will take action against moscow if they do invade. here's her comments. >> we are very clear that -- that russia should not invade the sovereignty of ukraine, that we must stand up and we are standing up for its territorial integrity. we are working with our allies in that regard, and we've been very cleared that we are prepared to issue sanctions like you've not seen before. >> ok...

Been lamenting the fall and the dissolution of the soviet union for the past 30 years and he obviously despise is the expansion of nato. is there room for diplomacy? is there room to have common ground with russia? >> well, that's a big question. i mean, yesterday was in fact the anniversary of the dissolution of the soviet union, the 30th anniversary, and putin, us a note, has called that the greatest disaster of the 20th century. i think it's pretty clear that he would like to be the russian leader who begins to reverse that. he started on that way by seizing crimea in 2014. he survived the ...

I mean, how does the u.s. support ukraine without, you know, threatening or feeling -- or making russia feeling threatened? >> you're exactly right, amar a. this is a really delicate balling act and that's what putin is counting on because putin knows that nateors and the united states are not going to commit troops to ukraine's aid so the only thing we real very left is sanctions, and as you point out we impose sanctions after 2014 and the russians are still in crimea seven years later. so the question is what could you do that would really make the difference? well, you could do a few things...

Body of water, that's the northern extension of the black sea. and once upon a time the sea of asof was a relatively normal thing, but 5 1/2 years ago russia invaded ukraine. and they took a whole big chunk of the nation of ukraine. they took crimea for themselves. they decided crimea was now a part of russia. and after they did that, after they took crimea to sort of solidify their hold on ukraine, russia built a big weird expensive bridge across the strait, and upon doing so, upon seizing crimea for itself and building this bridge between russia and crimea and putting the russian military in...