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Threatening to shot down, at times did shut down independent press voices and media voices. he was a -- he ridiculed his political opponents in the most vile ways. he gerrymandered the election districts in a way -- of course, where have we heard that before? that happens elsewhere as well. but he did do it in a particularly egregious way in venezuela to aid in his electoral prospects. he didn't want to leave anything to chance. so, no, he was not what we would call a lover of democracy as we would like to see it practiced. >> as a leader who is, as you said, sui generous, and who was so much ...

He gerrymandered the election districts in a way -- of course, where have we heard that before? that happens elsewhere as well. but he did do it in a particularly egregious way in venezuela to aid in his electoral prospects. he didn't want to leave anything to chance. so, no, he was not what we would call a lover of democracy as we would like to see it practiced. >> as a leader who is, as you said, suis generis, and who was so much larger than life and was so dominant in the politics of that country, and in a country that has so much oil, when you look ahead to what comes after hugo chavez, do...

This way and in pennsylvania it's happening this way. i think americans don't always catch, and i think your point makes this well, there's no national right to vote. there's no federal level, every single american having -- it all rests in each and every state. so as i've heard reverend jackson say many times, there are 50 separate and unequal rights to vote or relatively less right to vote in each and every state. isn't it time to simply say, okay, even if you're a states rights kind of person, this is a right that aught to rest at the level of american identity. particularly in a country wh...

Disproportionately gone to the right. you look at how the system works whether through the jer remandering of election districts that they can only get re-elected if they appeal to the base and the influence of money in politics. >> and here's another factor. the middle is gone. the middle has been driven out both in the democratic party, the blue dogs, remember, during the health care fight, pushed out. and certainly republican moderates are like the dinosaur now. they are almost extinct. i think of susan collins and might be the only one who's left. so now you have, particularly in the repub...

Viktor orban did get another shot. his party won two-thirds of the sleets in parliament. and with that power they decided to rewrite the rules. that i rewrote the constitution. among other things they cut in half the number of seats in the parliament. they redrew the boundaries of the election districts in the country all at once. viktor orban said his way was much simpler. it made imimpossible to remove him from power. support for viktor orban party shrunk, they dropped from 53% to 44% of the vote but wouldn't you know it, thanks to these new simpler rules, even though viktor orban's party go...