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Were grateful but the details that are packed in there, this thing was a garbage fire on a train that was going into a nuclear waste dump. it is such a tragedy and it is amazing to think that a human being who is smart and it's amazing to think that a person of that level of intellect was able to run two of the worst national presidential campaigns in history in one lifetime. >> martha: how did that happen happen? >> clearly, they ran a campaign that was trying to be the obama third term and it clearly changed the election environment after the fact but i don't think the thoughts on the clinto...

That are packed in there, this thing was a garbage fire on a train that was going into a nuclear waste dump. it is such a tragedy and it is amazing to think that a human being who is smart and it's amazing to think that a person of that level of intellect was able to run two of the worst national presidential campaigns in history in one lifetime. >> martha: how did that happen happen? >> clearly, they ran a campaign that was trying to be the obama third term and it clearly changed the election environment after the fact but i don't think the thoughts on the clinton campaign was where the situa...

Up and took it to the end zone. >> i'm not going to use the word fumble. i don't think it was nye fumble. night satellite blip. some of these guys have to overperform and some need the president to drag them across. berkeley, she desperately needs president obama to win by four or five points in nevada for her to get to 50%. you look at george allen, he needs romney to overperform. ditto with mack and thompson. it is interesting, tammy baldwin, the wisconsin one is the one that intrigues me the most, it is this thrash there isn't an obvious play. there were some folks that thought tommy could ...

This whole issue, can it be debated during this election? can it really, can people get down in the weeds and really fight over specifics in an election environment? >> they could. do i expect it? not at all. what secretary geithner said and what democrats have adopted as the argument on medicare for instance, they just ignore social security. on medicare, to say well, it will change social security, or the medicare as we know it. well, of course it will. that is what you have to do. you have to change and we have a system now where it incentivizes overuse. by doctors, procedures and everythin...

2008, but in the election environment of 2012 he'll take that estrangement and wear it as a badge of honor with independents. >> jeanne, hitting congress, daring them to do reform bills. i thought it was funny he mentioned this insider trading bill, which is this ability to take congress and wall street and lump them together. >> clearly he's going to run against congress, they will try to link this republican nominee to this congress. they began using it in september and we will hear it all the way through to this coming september and november. >> fred, how hard is it -- i got to think it's g...