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Despite all that. there's a problem here. listen, i'm not somebody who wants to come on every night and say president trump is doing something dumb. if that's all we want to talk about we'll have a very long program. we need to get as a country -- >> i agree with you. >> the problem is in puerto rico was known that the country -- that that territory was struggling and fema's plans did not reflect that reality from the beginning, and that's what fema says about itself so the fact that the president didn't come out and support fema's own self-critique that's why we should be concerned because th...

If that's all we want to talk about we'll have a very long program. we need to get as a country -- when do we get it right? when do we get it wrong? >> i agree with you. >> the problem is in puerto rico was known that the country -- that that territory was struggling and fema's plans did not reflect that reality from the beginning. and that's what fema says about itself so the fact that the president didn't come out and support fema's own self-critique that's why we should be concerned because the commander in chief isn't listening to the people below him who shade, boggs, we screwed this um. ...

>> for him to call it an unsung success, come on! >> yeah. let me just -- i just think we have to try to learn things as a country. fortunately the guys at fema, the men and women at fema are a little bit more monohonest than the president was, and they put forward a case that sounds frankly very much like what you're saying, chris, that they made some real mistakes. first of all, you've got to remember you had big fires that year. you had harvey. you had irma and then you had maria, so fema was really taxed at that point. >> absolutely, van. >> and they also overestimated -- i'm talking theme...

Right for a long time. going all the way back to the clinton era that constantly critiques the culture of the left. that the left is corroding the overall culture. but i wonder if there's a self-critique to the right that it's been created over decades and fox news is just part of it. is there any self-critique within the conservative world that this culture is denigrating the country? >> well, sure there is. you saw that with a very substantial number of conservatives including myself who were critical of president trump. there were 25 members of congress when the "access hollywood" tape came...

The overall culture. but i wonder if there is a self-kre teak here on the right that racism and sexism has been created over decades and fox news is just part of it. is there any self-critique that this culture is denigrating the country? >> sure there is and you saw that with a substantial number of conservatives critical of president trump. there were 25 members of congress when the access hollywood tape came out -- >> they all turned around and have voted for him. >> it's not true. >> and have marched behind him like penguins. who has broken from him? >> people like senator ben sass who is ...