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Oligarch or self-dealing but 2016 and the bidens, was that your understanding? >> that was my understanding. >> and in fact, when you said your staff overheard this call between ambassador sondland and the president, in that call the president brings up investigation, does he not? >> he did. >> and immediately after the president gets off the phone with sondland, sondland is asked by your staff what does the president think about ukraine and his also is he's just interested in the bidens, am i right? >> he said he was more interested in the bidens. >> more interested in the bidens. no discussi...

Example, the right to certain energy licenses. correct? >> that is one element. yes, sir. >> and the company burisma, its leader, he has a little bit of a storied history of corruption, doesn't he? >> mr. la krzyzewski was minister of energy in 2010-2012. he used his authority to award gas an act of corruption in my view, yes. >> certainly self-deal? >> certainly self-dealing and self-enriching. >> and how did the ukrainian government ultimately pursue that? >> in the spring of 2014 the ukrainian government, the new government after revolution of dignity returned to partners, particularly the ...

>> the time of the gentleman has expired. i will now move to five-minute member rounds. i recognize myself for five minutes. mr. kent, i want to follow up on my colleague's questions regarding burisma. you testified about a time when an oligarch named la krzyzewski, i think it was was self-dealing awarding himself contracts when was that, to my knowledge, he was minister of ecology 2010 to 2012. at the time licenses to have exploration of gas were awarded by subdivision of the ministry of ecology. >> so this corrupt self-dealing then was approximately seven years, at least seven years before t...

Board of burisma in 2014. >> and you have read the call transcript. have you not? >> i have. and i have it in front of me but i haven't read it for about a month. >> is there any mention of the discussion with president trump and president zelensky oligarch la krzyzewski who seven years earlier had been self-dealing. >> to my knowledge, no. >> is there a discussion of awarding contracts to oneself or the corrupt acts in the 2012 to 2014 time frame. >> to the best of my knowledge, no. >> the president brings up crowdstrike, the server, and bidens; is that right? >> i see that here, yes. >> ther...

Self-dealing but 2016 and the bidens. was that your understanding? >> that was my understanding. >> and, in fact, when you said your staff overheard this call between ambassador sondland and the president, in that call, the president brings up investigation. does he not? >> he did. >> and, immediately after the president gets off the phone with sondland, sondland is asked by your staff what does the president think about ukraine? and his answer is he is just interested in the bidens. am i right? >> he said he was more interested in the bidens. >> more interested in the bidens. no discussion of...