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Normal baseline for him. and his normal baseline was kind of self depricating. he was a little fidgety back then, but typically well controlled. now you see somebody unkempt, big grandiose gestures. >> bill: but it doesn't really mean anything because he's not in control of himself. >> that's how you know that he is. he's moving into a completely different emotional state and that he no longer cares what his public feels for him. >> bill: or what he's saying. >> exactly. >> bill: the father, martin sheen, has his arms tucked around. >> and watch. you see eyes go down and then he picks them up....

Interviews of him to get a normal baseline for him. and his normal baseline was kind of self depricating. he was a little fidgety back then, but typically well controlled. now you see somebody unkempt, big grandiose gestures. >> bill: but it doesn't really mean anything because he's not in control of himself. >> that's how you know that he is. he's moving into a completely different emotional state and that he no longer cares what his public feels for him. >> bill: or what he's saying. >> exactly. >> bill: the father, martin sheen, has his arms tucked around. >> and watch. you see eyes go down...

Or bad thing. what do you make of it? >> explaining is a good thing, directness is a good thing and efficiency is a good things. i will leave it at that. neil: really? i wasn't expecting that. [laughter] neil: i don't know if it was a preview to coming attractions but you often talked about how the most success leaders could be self-depricating. is that the message coming out here? >> he sort of is. i thought it was a good press conference too. someone quarried me if this was a ronald and thatcher. kennedy: wow.