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Virtual theft of, you know, for example, the right to certain energy licenses, correct? >> that is one element, yes, sir. >> and the company burisma, its leader has a little bit of a storied history of corruption, doesn't he? >> he was minister of energy from 2010-2012 under the pro russian government and he used his regulatory authority to award gas exploration licenses to companies that he himself controlled. that would be considered an act of corruption in my view, yes. >> certainly self-dealing. >> certainly self-dealing and self-enriching. >> how did the ukrainian government ultimately pu...

Example, the right to certain energy licenses. correct? >> that is one element. yes, sir. >> and the company burisma, its leader, he has a little bit of a storied history of corruption, doesn't he? >> mr. la krzyzewski was minister of energy in 2010-2012. he used his authority to award gas an act of corruption in my view, yes. >> certainly self-deal? >> certainly self-dealing and self-enriching. >> and how did the ukrainian government ultimately pursue that? >> in the spring of 2014 the ukrainian government, the new government after revolution of dignity returned to partners, particularly the ...

By virtual theft, for example, their rights on certain energy licenses, correct? >> that's one element. >> the company, burisma, he had a little bit of a story history of corruption, does he? >> mr. lachesky, he used his authority to himself controlled. that would be an act of corruption in my view. yes. >> self-dealing and self-enriching. >> how did the ukrainian government pursue that? >> the new government, the revolution of dignity turns into partner with the u.s. and u.k. to try to recover tens of billions of dollars of stolen