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Democratic field shapes up because there will be some who naturally because of their personalities will not necessarily want to go as far as a lot of folks on the left want to go, which would be to impeach and then convict the president. others may be more moderate in their approach to the president. michael avenatti clearly is not. maybe he does appeal to that segment of the base. >> we'll see if he's successful or not. sometimes people who get in a race or around in the pregame of a race do influence other candidates even if they do well. here's michael avenatti. you remember michelle obama,...

Hope senator flake does run. i suspect all democrats would be pleased to see a crowded republican field in 2020. but for someone to be effective at competing with this president, you can sit back and send a tweet and capture and earn a media news cycle will have to be someone who is charismatic and self-fund. i imagine republican donors won't be super supportive of a potential spoiler in the race. >> melissa: there is a lot of never trumpers out there and they raised money that time. do you see that person, dave? anybody out there that could be effective? >> at this point i know governor kasic...

Recognition. and she would probably self-fund a lot of this. there is three things she does not have. she is not the sitting president. she does not have access to air force one and she won't be able to take credit for a rising, growing economy where middle class wages are growing. those things are in the president's favor. jesse: i think that's a tough matchup. but i don't know about her policy chops. let's look at elizabeth warren. ethnicity, american indian, nickname pocahontas. 7.8 million. i thought she was fighting for the little guy. >> long career as a professor. jesse: that's a lot of...

Recognition. and she would probably self-fund a lot of this. there is three things she does not have. she is not the sitting president. she does not have access to air force one and she won't be able to take credit for a rising, growing economy where middle class wages are growing. those things are in the president's favor. jesse: i think that's a tough matchup. but i don't know about her policy chops. let's look at elizabeth warren. ethnicity, american indian, nickname pocahontas. 7.8 million. i thought she was fighting for the little guy. >> long career as a professor. jesse: that's a lot of...

Recognition. and she would probably self-fund a lot of this. there is three things she does not have. she is not the sitting president. she does not have access to air force one and she won't be able to take credit for a rising, growing economy where middle class wages are growing. those things are in the president's favor. jesse: i think that's a tough matchup. but i don't know about her policy chops. let's look at elizabeth warren. ethnicity, american indian, nickname pocahontas. 7.8 million. i thought she was fighting for the little guy. >> long career as a professor. jesse: that's a lot of...