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Control. we have the federal government saying we are going to give you a right, and by the way we will tell you how to exercise that right and we are going to control you, a church affiliated group as to what you provide to your employees, and if you don't like it, tough, because our rights, our right to tell you what to do trumps your deeply held convictions about what your dollars should be spent for. and the idea that you can have the insurance company, and a large number of catholic social service providers are self insured, and so the self insured is the insurance company, and they are g...

Someone to insure. our government is state aircraft and self-insured, is so those details would have to be worked out. there is space for commercial space. >> gregg: thanks for being with us. when the going gets tough, the tough goes shopping, i do that. is that old adage true in this tough economy. most of you can get the answer. we'll hear what they have to say about that. that is coming up next. ♪ let's take a look at the stats. mini has more than double the fir and whole grain... making him a great contender in this bout... against mid-morning nger. honey nut cheerios is coming in a li...

>> look, to force on american citizen to buy a product or service is a direct attack on your individual liberty. this isn't like states making you buy auto insurance where you're insuring the people you might hurt or where you -- and you still may choose not to drive an automobile or choose not to have insurance. in this case, it doesn't matter who you are, if you're self-insured, doesn't matter if you're healthy and don't seek health care services, you must pay a penalty. that flies schiewtly in -- absolutely in the face of individual liberty in this country and it's astounding to me that peo...

Self-insure are paying a lot more attention and they believe that they're going to be worse off versus better off and frankly, if you look at the numbers to self-insured, if you're healthy, you are. but this is a very, very small slice of the public. so will that really have the long-term impact politically? >> if the affordable part of the affordable care act is not a reality, then absolutely. i think more than what president obama can say in a speech or what conservatives can say, more than how that will matter is how it's affecting somebody's bottom line. do they think it's fair. do they th...