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To rise again from this material filth through layer after layer of the heavens to the true spiritual realm. it's very attractive. it offers a form of self-discovery, of self-truth, self-realization. >> the gnostic message was very seductive. a mix of greek philosophy, egyptian religion and eastern mysticism, all very contemporary in its spirituality. >> the new testament gospels are gospels of the cross. the gnostic gospels are gospels of wisdom. the new testament gospels care about salvation from sin. the gnostic gospels care about salvation from ignorance.

There are different points of view, different interpretations of jesus, different ways of understanding god and the world. and in the beginning, there is no orthodoxy and heresy. >> but that situation did not last for long, and much of the first 300 years of christianity and beyond were spent defining that faith. >> the struggle regarding orthodoxy and heresy never comes to an end, and these battles about truth and inclusion and exclusion are with us to the present day. >> sometimes we say if we could just get back to new testament christianity, then the church would live in unity. but in real...

Will be woken up by the redeemer coming to us from the world of the spirit and will re-introduce us to our real destiny, which is to rise again from this material filth through layer after layer of the heavens to the true spiritual realm. it's very attractive. it offers a form of self-discovery, of self-truth, self-realization. >> the gnostic message was very seductive. a mix of greek philosophy, egyptian religion and eastern mysticism, all very contemporary in its spirituality. >> the new testament gospels are gospels of the cross.

Stories and then wrote them down in their books. >> the gospels were written not as history, scholars say, but as a kind of divine story. a gospel truth. >> when we now read these gospels as straightforward narratives, we completely miss their point. we are trying to make them into a diary. they're not a diary. we're trying to make them into a biography. they're not a biography. they are what, in our terms, should be called an apocalypse, a disclosure of a truth which -- a supposed truth -- which the gospel writers themselves believed was beyond all normal human apprehension. >> and they were ...

Biography. they're not a biography. they are what, in our terms, should be called an apocalypse, a disclosure of a truth which -- a supposed truth -- which the gospel writers themselves believed was beyond all normal human apprehension. >> and they were aimed directly at the jews who had not embraced jesus as the messiah. so by the end of the 1st century, disagreement had become a deepening divide, further