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What really needs to happen -- spew welcome the present just say i want to go back to the 80s? where the economy was roaring and we were doing great. couldn't that be what he is saying? >> either way it is self referential. jesse: not we can go back when everything was great? >> i think it's a patriarchy that no one questions. jesse: is he saying there was a patriarchy that no one questioned? >> i think there isn't any debate anymore whether it is real. i think even the disbelievers now believers. jesse: when you think donald trump says make america great again, he wants to go back to the time...

What really needs to happen -- spew welcome the present just say i want to go back to the 80s? where the economy was roaring and we were doing great. couldn't that be what he is saying? >> either way it is self referential. jesse: not we can go back when everything was great? >> i think it's a patriarchy that no one questions. jesse: is he saying there was a patriarchy that no one questioned? >> i think there isn't any debate anymore whether it is real. i think even the disbelievers now believers. jesse: when you think donald trump says make america great again, he wants to go back to the time...

Meaning their brains are a little different but then as he alluded to early trauma, being very, very mistreated can make that worse so to speak, that you can become more entitled, more self-referential and more likely to repeat the kind of thing that was done to you. is that an excuse? no, it's not. did he know right from wrong? he knew what he was doing was wrong. he just didn't care. he just wanted to do what he wanted to do and felt entitled to it. so in that sense you can make sense of it but really what we're talking about is not someone who can be in treatment and can be better, who is s...

About the danger of a church that's self referential. which means that if we're just kind of focusing on the institution, just keeping the trains running on time, doing the same old thicng, then the church isn't fulfilling its mission in the world. and as bishop and now already as pope, his understanding of the process of eadvantagization is we have to live will the gospel and share the goods spell. it's simple. it's simple, it's very real, something you can't argue with. and i think that's a characteristic that he's shown just in less than a week of being pope. and i think it's something that...

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