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For an impeachable offense by doing what every president has done for the last 200 years which is to protect their own, you know, separation of powers. >> every president has called the president of a foreign country and asked for help with their political -- >> no, every president has claimed executive privilege on certain communications. every one of them, including president obama, and went to court and lost and then had to turn things over. that's what you do. you don't impeach them. >> this is actually unprecedented obstruction. every president in the past, they've tried to make the effor...

Over the house managers. listen to this. >> we cannot name managers until we see what the process is on the senate side, and i would hope that that will be soon as we did with our legislation, our resolution 660, to describe what the process would be. so far we haven't seen anything that looks fair to us. hopefully it will be fair. >> why the delay, congressman. >> well, the delay is made necessary because the majority in the senate has made it very clear that he's not going to be impartial. he's not going to be fair. he will collude, if you please, with the white house. at least the white hou...

You're asking him to? are you suggesting it's possible you will never transmit the articles of impeachment? >> if it were me, yes, that's what i'm saying. i have no idea what the speaker will do. but if you have a preordained outcome that's negative to your actions, why walk into it? i'd much rather not take that chance. >> is that what the constitution intended? is that what the founders intended when they created the impeachment process? there's nothing in the constitution about transmitting the articles of impeachment. it gives the house the right and the duty to impeach the president. it g...

First, though, the impeachment. the president has been impeached. joining me now is democratic congressman and house majority whip james clyburn of south carolina. thanks for being with us. you were there last night for that moment in history. donald j. trump, just the third president ever to be impeached. tell me what it was like to be in the hall at that moment. >> well, first of all, thank you very much for having me. it was a very somber moment. the atmosphere was a little bit uneasy. i've been through one of these before. never one where the president was obviously trying to subvert the p...

The white house has a right to assert its privilege that, you know, they don't want certain documents and certain people to testify for executive privilege. and my big problem with the second article of impeachment is there's a process you go through in determining whether that's a credible claim. and you go to court. all this call for urgency on the part of the democrats, that they had to do this to stop the president. the only way you'll really stop the president is to get the president convicted. impeaching him doesn't stop him. what will stop this president from interfering with the next e...