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The independence of the fbi and feels, as he said last night, that they should be looking at anything they think is credible within this limited scope. >> what does that mean, limited scope? >> that's up to the fbi. in other words, i'm not involved in those specific conversations. >> don mcgahn say, you can interview these witnesses but don't interview these witnesses? >> i don't think don mcgahn would do that but i've not talked to him about it. legality me make cle let me make clear we're not trying to interfere. it's the president saying go ahead. it's the republican senators, senator flake...

>> martha: let me ask you about your colleague, senator flake. he made a number of appearances after friday, on "60 minutes," did an event in central park in new york where he talked to the crowd about maybe i have seen you in the elevator, referring to the women who were confronting him in the elevator, he did another appearance in boston. what do you make of all that? >> jeff is going to have to vote his conscience. and he and senator coons got together and decided that we needed a delay. i have yet to hear senator coons, who is a good friend of mine, i have a world of respect for him, but i...

Claimed had been seen in what he described as very bad, somewhat compromising situations. what's your response to that accusation for president trump? >> well, that's president trump's playbook. he always tries -- when he feels he's being attacked, to attack someone else. we have seen that over and over again. we have seen how he's attacked senator flake at times. the late senator mccain at times. senator corker at times. so we know what he does in an effort to try to distract from the substance of disagreements he has. >> senator cardin, thanks as usual for joining us. >> thank you. breakin...

Senator flake and coons was on "60 minutes," he said if he was lying, that would be disqualified. are these lies of what he was like in college or mischaracterizing the reputations. are these enough to pull someone like jennifer -- jennifer flake. >> start it over. >> jeff flake, to pull him away from kavanaugh. gosh. i don't know what's up with me today. >> let me try to help you out. i don't think we're going to get a definitive reading on what devil's triangle means from this fbi report. these are some of the smaumer lies of judge kavanaugh are the things difficult to disprove.sm lies of ju...

He was behind closed doors huddle with his longtime friend senator chris coons. more and more lawmakers joined them in an answer room before the arizona republican joined democrats' calls for an fbi investigation before a full senate vote. i caught up with senator coons right after all this unfolded. >> can you take us behind the scenes in your conversations with senator flake? >> senator flake and i respect each other. we've traveled the world together and legislated together and we're concerned that what we saw in yesterday's confirmation hearing and in today's speeches on the committee is t...