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President clinton, several federal balanced budgets. something we're not anywhere near to at this time. >> senator mitchell, i appreciate you being here. we have a lot more to come. we're warning you now. it's probably going to be a crazy week in mueller news. joyce vance joins us. and later my conversation with bernie sanders and mike lee trying to get the united states back on the right side of standing up to saudi arabia. "kasie dc" back after this. brand-new car and totals it.ar and as if that wasn't bad enough, now your insurance won't replace it outright because of depreciation. if you...

Strength in the pursuit of peace is no vice. isolationism in the pursuit of security is no virtue. >> with that, i'd like to welcome in my panel. with me, msnbc contributor jon meacham, the author of "destiny and power, the american odyssey of george herbert walker bush." also with me washington bureau chief for the "usa today," susan page. the author of "the matriarch, barbara bush and the making of an american dynasty." and the former senate majority leader during george h.w. bush's presidency, george mitchell. jon meacham, i'd like to start with you since you spent so much time with the for...

Losing re-election in 1992. and the thing that wiped away any last vestige of bitterness was when his children started to succeed in politics. and especially when george w. bush was elected to the oval office. >> can i say one thing at the risk of dorking out already. i don't think embittered is the right way. i think he was crushed and disappointed. i don't think he actually ever had a bitter bone in his body. i think that's generational. >> not to take this over, but i -- embitter may be the wrong word. but he was mad at ross perot and also pretty mad at the press. he thought his press cover...

With some spending controls and it was after newt gingrich revolted that taxes went up in general. gingrich is also one of the people, like ross perot, like don rums feld who was not particularly enveloped with grace. >> george mitchell, please weigh in. do you think the deal you cut is what led ultimately to him breaking that no-taxes pledge that many credit with him losing the 1992 election? >> well, the statement you made at the republican convention, read my lips, no new taxes, was great politics with bad policy. he later regretted and changed his mind and agreed to a prog m program, reluc...

Able to become president after taking each of them. >> it does speak to his character in that regard. john, or susan as well, did george h.w. bush have any regrets? he faces criticism for not doing enough on the aids crisis, for example. >> i ask him that a lot and what he came back to was, i shouldn't have said read my lips. and he believed that that is what cost him the presidency in 1992. he didn't regret the deal he made with senator mitchell, which was a good deal, and modern american history, when he had an early breakfast with george h.w. bush in the dining room. bob dole walked in and ...