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Come on top of $450 billion in other cuts we knew were coming as well. >> the defense department is in the process as you heard john mccain, it's $40 billion. i would take it up over $1 trillion in cuts out of the pentagon. the president said, as you heard him say last night, there is no exit ramp from this, he is prepared to use a veto to protect the cut and make sure they go in effect. given what leon panetta, the defense secretary said about this, it's unusual for president of either party to be heedless of warnings about national defense. if you look at it, national defense is the only fun...

Other cuts we knew were coming as well. >> the defense department is in the process as you heard john mccain, it's $40 billion. i would take it up over $1 trillion in cuts out of the pentagon. the president said, as you heard him say last night, there is no exit ramp from this, he is prepared to use a veto to protect the cut and make sure they go in effect. given what leon panetta, the defense secretary said about this, it's unusual for president of either party to be heedless of warnings about national defense. if you look at it, national defense is the only function that is the federal gover...

Made public 48 hours in advance? >>guest: if it does, i suspect we could put out there what would be the ouines of the plan. i don't think we will try to give up on an opportunity to get it done, it is better than letting automatic triggers to decide where we make the cuts. >>chris: but, to be honest, it sounds more to me from what you and my previous guest are saying you do not want to admit pressure because you would like it blamed on the republicans rather than the democrats but it is still failure, >>guest: it is not an issue between a deal and no deal but it is a matter of getting a bette...

Made public 48 hours in advance? >> it f. it would have to be made public in advance i suspect we would put out there would eceptionly would be the outlines of the plan. i don't think we will try to give up on an opportunity to get this done because it is better than ling automatic triggers. it is better to have a smart plan than not a plan that you can live with. >> chris: to be honest, it sounds nor me from what you you and congressman hensarling are saying that you don't want to admit failure because you would just as soon have it be blamed on o the republicans and not on the democrats but ...