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Ryan. >> i talked to you the day after the women's march, which turned out to be bigger than many expects. >> right. >> a show of force that was organic. future leaders, in the democratic party, future leaders for women, who are they and who are you looking to to pave the way for planned parenthood and organizations like that in the future? who are they? >> i think it's been interesting to see the power of the women in the senate. we have elected women who are very strong and i think exciting and interesting and different. when i look at leadership, i would say, one of the things about the mar...

Get it out of the way. obviously, politics is completely overwhelmed this entire process. all of the norms of the past have been thrown out the window. you can argue if you're a democrat that the garland nomination was the tipping point and if you're a republican the bourque nomination was the tipping point. we are where we are. let's say, for instance, mitch mcconnell were i chuck scmer's shoes and he was running the democratic party, what would he do in this instance in my questions is he would allow six or seven of his members to vote in favor of gorsuch to show they were acting in a bipart...

What if justice kennedy the next time or ruth bader ginsburg were to step down? that would be a fight the democrats really care about because it would change the balance of the power on supreme court. whether to save the filibuster for then or not has been a calculation. >> that is a calculation. the problem, sam, is that democratic voters are going to look at what just happened over the past year. and feel like that seat was stolen, it should have been merrick garland. they wouldn't even him in their office. so why the hell should they give the republicans anything that they want in this area...

Ability to act consistently. >> but, peter, it seems inevitab inevitable, doesn't it? we know where this is going. mcconnell gets 60 votes or gets rid of the filibuster. >> yeah. there doesn't seem to be much chance at this point given what we know that judge gorsuch won't be on the court. the only question how ugly will it be between now and then? it can be pretty ugly. and, you know, you're right. i mean, the democrats are feeling pretty bruised by the last year and the republicans, you're right about that too, by the way. i think republicans -- who voted for donald trump a lot of them holdi...

There is always an election one year away, you know, that mitch mcconnell need to be very careful. but it seems to me after what happened with merrick garland, democratic voters are going to expect their senators to fight to the bitter end. what do you think? >> no, i agree. a lot of bitterness about merrick garland. you heard the senator from oregon saying this is a stolen seat and a seat should have been filled by barack obama and stole by the republicans who held it open for a full year rather than fill it and a lot of talk of payche payback. they can certainly force senator mcconnell to in...