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Happen. so i am curious your take, robby. people inside the administration who can give sort of a fresh, different kind of real-person voice as opposed to people who have the ability to do the deep dive. >> i think there are two dimensions to this. one is the president of the united states needs to provide clarity and leadership. when you have all kinds of people swirling around him in official roles that have been senate confirmed, members of his family who, some of whom have a role, some of whom don't. when they are all saying different things, it creates confusion. and that's why i would ar...

Saying we don't see peace with him in charge, the other is saying we need to have him gone. i think that's the point of both. >> all right. let's bring in tim carney of the "washington examiner," jason johnson, politics editor at theroot.com. ashley parker, white house reporter asey, let me start wyou st in terms of the question here of who is setting policy in the trump administration, how the foreign policy, how the syria policy is being constructed. i think it can be a little confusing to an outsider looking in. you have hawkish signals being sent by nikki haley, reserved signals by tillers...

To sound the alarm on this soon? >> this was an effort, their backing of him. he wasn't maybe their first choice. >> they saw it as the best choice they could get. >> absolutely. i think they were testing and trying to figure out what will the trump team accept. i just spoke with somebody who saw tillerson a couple of days before the election. he had no idea that he was about to become secretary of state. absolutely. >> wow. susan glasser. it will be interesting. at some point they're going to want their secretary of state essentially, the chief diplomat of the united states, to be out there, ...

Now. where do words matter on policy issues, on foreign policy? they matter a tremendous amount. they don't just matter because germany is unsettled or ukraine is unsettled. it matters because your own staff behind the scenes trying to create briefing documents trying to give you pathways forward for your administration, posture a policy, aren't sure where to go. >> that's the key point. the president thinks if you are unsettled, it helps him in a negotiation. he has a deal, and he wants you to be rattled by what he is doing because then he thinks he negotiates better. when you are setting pol...

The letter, you won't be working here anytime soon. the other thing. not reading the preparation memos. i think something that happens in nigeria, the u.s. has interests in all kinds of countries in the world. i wonder about the countries that are not in the news every day, what the depth of knowledge is there. we have a lot of interest beyond the big headlines. >> i think the other thing that is causing a little bit of problem is understanding who is in charge. >> right. >> there seems to be an executive council, per se, with priebus, bannon, now jared kushner, with some foreign policy going ...