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Very much, he, the president, feels very much that he's been treated unfairly, and he thinks he is his own best defense and he wants to get out there and make that defense but is being told really pretty universally not to do so and to keep doing what he is doing, which is going out and being president. >> okay. let's get to what we expect with wednesday, john, because as i mentioned earlier, it is the judiciary committee's first public hearing. what do democrats hope to achieve? what are they expecting from that day? >> well, as kelly said in the setup piece, it's kind of an academic discussi...

Witnesses, what does it, taken together, mean to you? >> i think the witnesses all week, i think, you know, have given a lot of testimony. it can only be described as perfect and beautiful. it is literally in a repeat of what the whistleblower report said and then what the july 25th transcript of that phone call between president trump and the president of ukraine said. so all of those key details that launch this investigation have now been corroborated, including most powerfully, ari, as your setup piece said, the testimony of gordon sondland. sondland was supposed to be the defense witness....

Promise by zielinski for ininvestigations, you said at that suggestion i winced. my reaction was oh, god, i don't want to see those two things combined. why did you wince? and what did you mean by those two things combined? >> well, first of all your setup piece was typically very unbiassed. let me before i start answering the detailed questions talk about why i'm sympathetic with what president trump has gone through. i'm 64 years old. i have never in my lifetime seen a president after being elected not having some measure of well wishes from his opponents. i've never seen a president's admin...

I am just trying to ask you a simple question of what made you wince. i'm asking a simple question about you clearly were upset that somehow there was an implication that military aid was being frozen because the president wanted an investigation. why did you wince? >> because i didn't want those connected. and i was -- as is everybody that went to that initial inauguruation. when i asked the president about that, he completely denied it. he adamantly denied it. he said i would never do that. >> i don't know why you just came out here to personally attack the press and avoid answering question...

Had the right instinct when he heard about what had happened and called trump and said what's up with this. where he is now is where every republican finds himself now. this is not an excuse, but chuck hit the nail on the head. he put on a clinic when he said what exactly are you going on and on about? if he doesn't want to answer questions and try to explain what he was concerned about, then he should stick to fox and rant and rave about peter strzok. this is someone who is lucky that he's not up for whatever four years because he will not be on another sunday show outside of fox for quite so...