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President's bidding when it comes to politics here in the u.s. the president, of course, has been claiming there was no pressure put on the ukrainian president and says that the ukrainian president has said as much. so one viewer asks, legally does that matter? >> it matters but not as much as the president has been stressing. let's start with crimes. pressure has nothing to do with the potential crimes of bribery or foreign election aid. arguably it could be relevant to the crime of extortion because extortion is all about obtaining property through fear, force or threats. i'm a little dubiou...

Also this is critical, it's first amendment. the idea of engaging the justice department to look into this after there's a threat of exposing information about bezos, there's nothing untruthful about it. he's just saying the leaks were dirty and the justice department should jump into this thing. i think it's a violation of the first amendment. >> okay. well, is it a misuse, you know, of this powerful tool, you know, richard, the power of information? and is there anything that would then make these acts illegal? >> just had to catch my breath for a second. okay, with all due respect to avery,...

Relationship with the saudis and then bezos points out that mr. pecker went to a white house dinner with a high ranking saudi guest at some point. so he seems to be dropping all these bread crumbs and i'm wondering if we'll read about it in "the washington post" pretty soon. >> that's the perfect word is bread crumbs. he's not saying this plus this equals this. he's saying you read in to it. so would you prosecute this? >> i would. it's sort of unpopular position based on what i've seen out there. i've grown up doing extortion cases, mafia cases. those are easy. the question is, was anybody tr...