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Done that. that these other people that were buying into this vehicle, this cdo, basically knew that paulson was involved. so there's some questions here as to just exactly what goldman did, whether or not it was actually fraud or whether it was really just plain old unethical. >> a lot of americans, we sit and we watch these hearings go on on capitol hill. and we wonder, is this just political theater or does this actually have some teeth to it? >> that's a very good point. it is to a certain extent political theater. >> and there's been some expletives used. >> i was going to say, i don't th...