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Specifically about the boxing class that i had been told he had taken. i learned that, you know, the classes were more of a class of convenience and that he never surpassed shadow boxing or working a heavy bag. grappling on the other hand, he went from a bag and was working with a partner. it's very important to understand the difference between the two concepts because in grappling you have the opportunity to what we call tap out. you can say i quit. i give up. if something hurts too much. in boxing when you enter a ring with another person, you find out you've entered into more than you can ...

Advertising on your website for the gym that you helped train george zimmerman and immediately the defense attorney objected saying that is improper use of rebuttal. with that they called defense conference and they are up to discuss whether that was an improper line of questioning by the state prosecutor. >> shep: do you know? >> i don't know whether that is actually improper based on the law. i believe what this they're going to have to try to point out the state can only ask questions pertinent to what the testimony was given by pollock when he testified on a scale of one to ten, george zim...

Shadow boxing and working the heavy bag was the safetist part with him. he wasn't physically able to work with another boxer. >> any information you have regarding mr. zimmerman's physical abilities besides what you just testified to? >> no, sir. just what the gym owner had provided me with and his background from his experience with mr. zimmerman. >> as to mr. martin, i don't want you to discuss any anecdotal information you may have heard about but just focusing on his physical size, age, what not, and to the extent i believe that that was relevant in comparing the physical abilities, if you...

With an armbar while he's being mounted, no. >> okay. let's talk about striking for a little while, if we could. >> sure. >> i know in muay thai, you get into the kicking and knees and the elbows. punching, you would teach a number of different strikes, right? the jab, the cross, the hook? >> uppercuts. >> all of those? >> yep. >> and you said you had him working with a heavy bag. would you ever do the sparring mitts with someone? >> if they don't know how to control their body to throw a punch properly without hurting their wrists or elbows on a heavy bag and shadow boxing, putting them on fo...

Just stops them from having a good outcome. >> thank you no other questions. >> thank you. reredirect? >> very briefly, your honor. >> so as to -- when we talk about his progression in efficiency, boxing, jabbing, hooks and whatnot, had he gotten at any level of proficiency where you could work with him on other strikes or just still punching the bag. >> punching the bag and shadow boxing in actuality, he is predominantly just working on throwing the jab with the right hand and barely starting to learn how to throw a hook. >> okay. so not yet gotten proficient in the jab. >> not gotten profici...