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In the establishment aren't very anxious to welcome us in. >> what am i doing this for? what's the purpose of all this? and in many ways, it is to send a message. >> the ron paul shadow convention across the river from the rnc in 2008 was a huge hull ba loo. a huge crowd. everybody paid $17.76 to get in. he made a ton of noise. ron paul said they were there to send a message. ultimately, what was the message? it was a lot of sound and fury signifying mostly nothing because they had nothing to do. ultimately the real republican deal was across town with john mccain and sarah palin. and none of ...

Paul, republicans that year also held a shadow convention at the same time in the other twin, in minneapolis. and it was like a real convention. red, white, and blue ticker tape, a capacity crowd of adoring fans for the politician they were there to see and had the rock song from a rock star, tom petty, who took legal action to try to get conservative politicians from using his music. the convention head across the river from the real teal was a ron paul extravaganza. it was so big, they had to move it from its first venue into a bigger venue. >> i understand there's another meeting in a nearb...

Holding their convention in tampa, florida, which is a drag for a lot of republicans because it's the strip club captain of america -- you know, actually, i don't know. maybe that's a plus for them. tampa, i should note, is also the death metal capital of america. they gave the world bands like morbid angel and dsi and obituary. that's got to be a plus for some republicans going to the convention but probably not all of them. the last time around in 2008, it ended up being really important where the republicans chose to put their convention. they put their convention in st. paul, minnesota. th...

Message. >> the ron paul shadow convention across the river from the rnc in 2008 was a huge hull hullabaloo. they made a ton of noise, ron paul said they were there to send a message, but ultimately, what was the message? it was kind of a lot of sound and fury signifying mostly nothing because they did not have anything to do. i mean, ultimately, the real republican deal was across town with john mccain and sarah palin and none of the 10,000 ron paul fans in minneapolis had anything to work on, anything to get done there. no matter how excited they were. this year, the ron paul campaign has no...

What is the purpose of all this? and in many ways it is to send a message. >> the ron paul shadow convention across the river from the rnc in 2008 was a huge hull hullabaloo. they made a ton of noise, ron paul said they were there to send a message, but ultimately, what was the message? it was kind of a lot of sound and fury signifying mostly nothing because they did not have anything to do. i mean, ultimately, the real republican deal was across town with john mccain and sarah palin and none of the 10,000 ron paul fans in minneapolis had anything to work on, anything to get done there. no mat...