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Hill was a perfect witness. that she shincredible recall. keep in mind, fiona hill is not some outsider. she had a front row seat to you of this. what she had to tell lawmakers, according to a person in that room for the hearing yesterday was pretty damning. she said that after she and john bolton learned about what was happening with this shadow effort on yooushg, that john bolton referred to the whole thing as a drug deal. he in fact told fiona hill you need to go and report this to the top lawyer at the national security council. he also referred to rudy giuliani as a hand grenade, suggesti...

That rudy giuliani and gordon sondland were operating and doing things in ukraine that was outside basic state department ambassador nsc level. the outcome of the democrats will say, will illuminate this kind of shadow effort to get information on the political opponent. >> julie: okay, what about any input she might have on that ukraine call? as you know, she left a week before the telephone call even took place. will she be asked about something that she wasn't even in the white house to know anything about? >> i don't know what she will be asked were not asked, but i do know that she left b...

President, that we simply don't know right now. i do think in effect there was this shadow diplomacy, shadow effort taking place, as alleged, by rudy giuliani relating to what's taking place in ukraine that has been the source of my conversations with allies outside this white house, but allies of the president that has been the source of a lot of concern throughout the course of this impeachment inquiry. >> peter, stand by if you can. betsy, i was thumbing through the now unsealed indictment a few moments ago, this is attorney general bill bar's justice department that filed these indictments...