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Out late channel 4 news, tricked one of excellence senior lobbyists into thinking he was interviewing at a position for another company and listen to him discussing exxon's approach to climate science. >> did we aggressively fight against some of the science? yes. did we join some of these shadow groups to work against some of the early efforts? yes, that's true. >> exxonmobil insist that its lobbying fully complies with all laws and this thing was just the latest effort in a decades long campaign by greenpeace to smear them. we do not know that but the house oversight committee intends to get...

Often because the warmer seas and changes in prevailing winds have more devastating affects. one is about to hit florida. this is serious. most of us have known that. even in the people in the companies that tell us it isn't real have known that. last week, an exxonmobile lobbyist was caught on camera saying the bad parts out loud. they record the senior director for federal relations admitting to working with shadow groups that engage in disinformation campaigns that talk about climate change. >> did we fight against some of the science? yes. did we join some of the shadow groups to work agai...

>> i can't explain why they don't. i mean, i can. what they're saying -- >> behind closed doors, they have a lot to say. >> all they care about is another vote in their caucus or another percentage on their re-elect. for too long, on both sides, to think about just politics, not policy. they judge everything through that political prism. not the policy prism. right now they're saying those are the voters who come out and vote. if i get them mad, i'm not only not going to get them to the polls, i'm not going to have the financial support that so many of these shadow groups, if you want to call ...

They are asked to do in afghanistan? >> it is difficult, heather, we are expected to do a lot without support these days. we are asked to step out and one hand, we have tied behind our back. many individuals are frustrated. >> we want to thank you for all of the good work and doing it quietly. and before i let you go. pakistan, pakistan had such a history of murky links with so many shadow groups. what is your thoughts on what happened in pakistan? >> it is hard to wrap wrour mind around the horrific acts that could lead or take place that killed so many children. you know, i think the western...

Has a critical role in american politics. but if money was a determining factor, we'd have a very different shape of congress and in the white house. i mean the reality is the republicans geared up to try to spend an enormous amount of money to defeat the president. he didn't get defeated, obviously. and so i think the challenge here is how do you reform the system that you're not preverting the process. right now you have individuals through shadow groups who can give tens of millions if not more and pretend they're not influencing politics, that is not good for the country and not good for d...