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>> you made the analogy. >> how jesus was born. >> it's not how he was born. it was the conception. >> no it wasn't. it was mary's conception. the mothers. without original sin. not the conception of jesus. facts matter. if you'll make an analogy. know what you're talking about. you have to have a by basis. you know what you show. you have the release the memo. before you say there's a shadow organization within the fbi. >> we intend to. absolutely. we intend to fine out what it is and get the answers. >> they are learning a will the of suggestions from you. they need facts. when you get them,...

With peter strzok, who was involved. >> he was removed. >> he was removed by bob mueller after the i.g. brought them out. in one of the exchanges, she says maybe it's time to have our first meeting with the secret organization, whatever she called it. the republicans seize odd that to say it is proof that a shadow organization exists in the fbi to undermine justice. >> well, that's ridiculous. first of all, she and strzok were sending e-mails back and forth with their personal opinions. and the opinions stated in those e-mails were the opinions of the majority of american people. they didn't l...

You switch the r and d and context from this discussion about the texts to what we know about russia and collusion and activity. and you sound the same. when it's about russia you don't care what the basis is. you don't believe it. you don't want to investigate it's silly. you have a phrase between loves. you don't know the context but ready to say there's a shadow organization at the fbi. and the irony that the only reason you know about the texts is not because you looked it up. not because republicans figured it out. you didn't have a source on it. this was done internally. by the same fbi ...

One? >> in this whole back and forth, is it clear i'm saying we're going to wait for the inspector general report who has interviewed people, doing their job for months now? >> but you work there and you interact with these people all the time. has anybody ever mentioned something like this to you? has it ever come up with as a concern? >> i think this is an unproductive line of questioning. the inspector general is investigating this. we'll have a report and six committees of congress have thousands of text messages now. a lot of americans have seen these text messages and understandably dist...

We have had him on many times. that is not how he came across the first time. he was in near panic about this secret society that had been exposed. the bottom line is they don't have the proof at this time. joining us now is cnn national security analyst retired germ michael hayden. sir, let me just ask you, at the onset, in your experience, do you believe that you have ever had a reasonable basis for thinking that there was some shadow organization within the fbi that was somehow in control of its efforts? >> no. totally inconsistent, chris, with my life experience. and i know senator johnson...