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Senator to depart the chamber. barely any of his republican colleagues even looked at him as he walked out. it was as if they were afraid that romney might meet their eyes and some acknowledgement might be called for, something they could not face." what could they not face? >> that's a great question. >> this is the ukraine call, by the way. the shakedown call. >> this was impeachment one, right. that morning i sat in romney's office and he said i will tell you ahead of time what my vote is going to be. >> you got a three-minute scoop. he said wait till 2:00 when my speech starts. i put that ...

Getting the aid and the conditions for the meetings and those kinds of things, so where does that take you with a quid pro quo argument? >> he's wrong. one, the facts have changed and two, the president got caught. the only reason aid was released was because of the whistle-blower came forward. but the new fact that we learned today from ms. laura cooper at the department of defense, because i have heard this defense from the republicans all along, no harm, no foul. if the ukrainians did not know there was a hold, were they really under pressure and ms. cooper testified today that on july 25, ...

Those kinds of things, so where does that take you with a quid pro quo argument? >> he's wrong. one, the facts have changed and two, the president got caught. the only reason aid was released was because of the whistle-blower came forward. but the new fact that we learned today from ms. laura cooper at the department of defensem because i have heard this defense from the republicans all along, no harm, no foul. if the ukrainians did not know there was a hold, were they really under pressure and ms. cooper testified today that on july 25, the same day that president trump made that shakedown ca...

Experience at this point with mr. mulvaney at this point plane, gold-plated. taking straightforward inquisitive questions and thus fumbling them? because it seems in a very it's once in a lifetime to appreciable way, some of the somebody who's dealt in the best public evidence that there was a bribery plot with ukraine trenches. just burst out today and it came rooting out the mob. >> and you know more about this from the president's top aide. >> that's a great question. than most people. i think you can sum it up with does rudy giuliani have any the fact that this july 25 evidence or records ...