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These two stories not think that the president is trying to tamper with the jury? >> well, first of all, jonathan, everything about this situation is unusual to your earlier point. secondly -- excuse me. this is inherently a political process. >> right. >> and so, i don't -- you could think of it as jury tampering. i don't, actually. i think of it as more the way politics works. but the senate is fundamentally different from the house. and you know, what the house messaging that you were talking about earlier, it has devolved into this crude tribalism that's best expressed by the video last we...

Attorney attend closed door testimony which was not available to the public. that was actually close to the public. and so then the questioning could be more focused on evidence. >> joyce and barbara, joi joyce start but, are you curbed about the circus-like atmosphere where these hearings will be televised unlike the nikts xon hearings? those hearings were done behind closed doors and these will be done live on television. >> i think mya makes a fair point, when hasn't this administration stooped to inserting a circus where a more dignified process would serve the country better. but i think ...

>> i think it is a problem. back in 1998, you had 31 democrats who voted for the impeachment inquiry. the proceedings at that time. so it reinforces we are in such a partisan and polarized time in our politics right now. under any normal circumstances, republicans would join, and lord knows, if president hillary clinton were in office, with this kind of behavior, you can imagine how republicans would be reacting to her conduct of foreign policy if it were like donald trump. especially with her, in this particular instance. but that is not where we are. it is so polarized. and republicans are a...

It's unfair, i meechb than this process that is specifically authorized under the constitution. impeachment is spelled out very clearly in the constitution. how the democrats are going about leading this process is very similar to what the republicans did in 1998, with regard to bill clinton. this is not an unusual or unprecedented process. the facts are obviously very different, and you know, what remains very curious is that you don't see very many republicans defending the actual behavior of the president, with regard to ukraine, on the merits. >> that's the deal. i think, david, because wh...

About this. >> his own tax cut didn't get bipartisan support, we're not in that world right now, matt. >> let me be clear here. i think it is awfully important, when it comes to impeaching a president, because even with those 300, over 360 votes on clinton, having tons of democrats, agree that president clinton should be impeached, the republicans still paid a price, when it looks ike you're partisan with impeachment, i think the voters don't like that, and i think what is hard for pelosi here is that they don't have a crime. they just don't like this man. and that is not enough to impeach him...