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Good evening, sir. thank you for coming on. >> don, good to be with you. >> a source is telling cnn that the white house is trying to publicly humiliate tillerson. why do that? why not just fire him? >> you know, it's funny. the president who made his reputation on firing people on "the apprentice" doesn't seem to like to do it in real life. so it seems like they're trying to send a very strong signal to secretary tillerson to leave on his own volition by shaming him. it's really unfortunate. i mean, for whatever he's done, and i've got a lot of concerns about what he's done to the department ...

Secretary of state. he has a new piece in "the new york times," you should read it. it's fascinating. it's titled, "how rex tillerson did so much damage in so little time." good evening, sir. thank you for coming on. >> don, good to be with you. >> a source is telling cnn that the white house is trying to publicly humiliate tillerson. why do that? why not just fire him? >> you know, it's funny. the president who made his reputation on firing people on "the apprentice" doesn't seem to like to do it in real life. it seems like they're trying to send a very strong signal to secretary tillerson to...

Himself apart from a party that people are not happy with. we'd love to have paul ryan on our side and actually start getting some stuff done. the fact is he's not jumping on board. the american people overwhelmingly have said we like donald trump, we want him to be our candidate so get behind him. we need paul ryan to help us out. >> you need paul ryan to help you out. that's the thing. you need him, you don't need him. which one is it? because this is not how you win him back over. >> well, the thing is, measure not winning him over anyway. hopefully we can shame him into getting on or we ca...

President of attacking his own attorney general publicly, shaming him. we just saw it today. we now, according to "the washington post," it's one of the questions that mueller and his team are asking people about. last summer, the public shaming. have you ever -- does it make sense to you for a president to be publicly shaming his attorney general? >> i think it is just bizarre. i don't know any other way to characterize it. the reality is, is the president again not really understanding the function of the job. i mean no president is above the law. the position that jeff sessions holds means ...

We're looking at mr. torshin and the potential involvement with the nra. the question is when you have these kind of financial entanglements by the president or some of his associates, are they potential blackmail targets? are they potential targets who can be compromised from the standpoint of counterintelligence? >> which is the same question about jared kushner and others who may have financial dealings. the continuance by this president of attacking his own attorney general publicly, shaming him. we just saw it today. we now, according to "the washington post," it's one of the questions th...