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If you've spent any time with mr. camm, he has a way of putting you at ease, he has a way of making you feel like he's legit and everything's okay. and plus i didn't care what the gun was for. >> you've provided this former trooper with weapons, he was on a special weapons team with the indiana state police. >> he was s.w.a.t. >> so theoretically here, this premeditated crime, he's gonna trust a handgun that's come off the street that he hasn't checked out, he's just unwrapped it from the sweatshirt and immediately used it for his business. >> well, it was. it was the gun. those are questions ...
Those are questions that i can't possibly answer. why did he want me there at the crime scene? we know why, because he wanted me to take the blame for all of this. >> so as boney tells it, the transaction happens, he delivers the gun, hears the gunfire in the garage, and then david tries to shoot him. >> why don't you just belt right outta there? >> if you point a weapon at me, even on a prison level. if a guy comes at me with a shank, i'm gonna get that shank from him and then it's my turn; it's that simple. >> i'm just gonna put it out there, i can't get into any trouble, my intent was to ki...
Networks. basically, quality migrates to cable. >> "oz" comes on in '97. and it's set in this fictional penitentiary. wow. what a strange show that was. >> in "oz," sometimes the things you can't touch are more real than the things you can. for instance, here, hatred, fear, loneliness are more real to me than a shank and a soul. >> it was jaw-droppingly violent. it was a men's prison. it probably should be. but you know, it kind of announces the idea that hbo is going to get serious about doing scripted dramas. >> it's finished. it's over. >> but hbo really in my mind comes to its own in 1999 ...