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Anyway? >> it's not all over. he can't pardon himself. they can't dismiss it in any way because it's state, not federal, but there's no way that a president of the united states is going to be made to serve any sort of sentence. so if he wins whenever the appeals or done any actually has to serve whatever sentence is imposed even if it's probation he would certainly do in federal court and they would say that it has to be stayed until after his term because the president is so busy. i mean, for all the same reasons, we see that the office of legal counsel has said you can't try a president whi...

>> you actually -- i actually want to -- i think we have some time left. i want to go to this tweet for you, sure. michael because i want to circle back. you tweeted this, so several former associates who still have high-level positions within republican politics you all agree that the gop should seriously think about 2024 and will be the standard bearer for the republican party going forward after today's testimony. this is where i want to end. i want you to elaborate on this one, share michael, and i want the rest of the panel to leeway, and because this is connected to liz cheney. she has b...

Should stumble tomorrow night, it's not necessarily to jeb's advantage. it's probably to ben carson's advantage. it's probably to carly fiorina's advantage because there are several debates playing out on that stage tomorrow night. not just one debate. and in the end, i believe there will be an establishment candidate. and it might be jeb, or it might be kasich or it might be chris christie, and there will be one of the mavericks. a ben carson, a carly, or a donald trump. and that's the way this thing s is. >> jeffrey? >> i actually used to share michael's opinion it was going to be one of eac...