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>> according to the "times," if the president sits down with them he can convince them their own inquiry is a witch hunt and obviously shows confidence in his own ability to sway people. >> of course, he's ever consecutive. i think in this case the stakes are much higher than the stakes he's faced in any litigation prior. there is that factor to consider. believe it or not he does imagine himself to be the actual president of the united states. he doesn't act like it a lot. he does, i think, have in mind his legacy. that could move him to resist ultimately cooperating as much as robert mueller...

Consecutive. i think in this case the stakes are much higher than the stakes he's faced in any litigation prior. there is that factor to consider. believe it or not he does imagine himself to be the actual president of the united states. he doesn't act like it a lot. he does, i think, have in mind his legacy. that could move him to resist ultimately cooperating as much as robert mueller would have him cooperate. he's going to be more careful than usual, uncharacteristically careful, i think. >> remember, too, what i think he's really trying to convince is the public, not so much the mueller pe...

Surprise his people? >> probably not. needs an mri to his financing and campaigns and personal dealing. >> peter baker, we are going to get to this in the next segm, but the manner in which way this guy gets away from his behavior. said what he did on the "access hollywood" tape. any one of these would have staggered any other politician running for any office and yet trump walks through it. >> he does. and part of the way he walks through it is he doesn't look back. he is not ashamed of it and he doesn't express regress or remorse. he doesn't act like he is doing anything wrong. he returns fi...

Politicians in both parties have in the past. he doesn't take it back. he doesn't act as if he has done anything wrong. so i think it is that brazen approach moving forward has worked for him so far. never had anybody like bob mueller on his tail before. see how that ends up. >> thank you peter baker, eric swalwell, and joyce vance. could another president get away from what donald trump does all the time. ban ishes reporters from press events. attacks his own justice department. and at what point does america say enough, buddy. trump is in the midwest today where in some states approval is un...

You have nationalists and globalists. it's about what's on the interest of the united states. they're living and madeleine albright's world and the president is in danger of joining the likes of lbj and george w. bush. filled presidents, field administrations involved in failed wars by listening to these people. he should not act. if he doesn't act, then he should feel quite comfortable because he the company of george washington, john adams, and the man who said we don't want to be a part of other people's wars. >> tucker: thank you for that. we are following white house all night for any new...