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She knew the answer. before i get to you guys at the white house, we have this new cnn reporting now that michael cohen aggressively allegedly pitched himself to companies including the pharmaceutical giant saying he had access to the president and possibly granting them access to the white house. is that problematic? is this how the swamp works? >> it is problematic. because usually this stuff is done in a slightly more subtle fashion. there is selling of access in washington. that goes back a long time. but as with so many things in the trump administration this is at an extreme and with an ...

When these briefings weren't televised. it is about the questions. it is always about the questions. the answers, you're going to get the run around, lied to. but our job, april's job, my job, everybody's in that room is to find out what's going on with this president, any president. that's a very simple job we have. so you have to have the briefings, you have to go to the briefings, you have to ask the questions. and i understand they're not always going to tell me the truth, but that doesn't mean i'm not going to ask the questions. >> april respond. >> really fast. it's about the transparenc...

And they're going to walk around us and they're going to avoid us. and it's not subtle. it's very brutal, and it's very -- it's un-presidential. >> they know full well that the outside council is not going to talk to the president and getting any answers. basically you're never going to get an answer to it. april, sanneders seems to use t phrase not wear a lot. but shouldn't she be a lot? she's the press secretary of the president. >> not aware, that is delicate dance for her to say not aware. because she keeps herself out of trouble by saying if there's any kind of legality that comes behind ...