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Seem to do the president any good. but the president himself was for it. he encouraged giuliani to go. he's asked for a readout. he has told rudy to brief the department of justice and senate republicans, although both of those venues suggested they're not necessarily willing to hear from him. but it goes to show his presence that even with the president facing impeachment, he's not shying away from the conspiracy theories and unfounded charges connected to ukraine that got him in this mess to begin with. >> annie karni, you wrote that the president may not debate come general election season ...

Story, and it seemed to -- you know, doesn't seem to do the president any good. but the president himself was for it. he encouraged giuliani to go. he's asked for a readout. he has told rudy to brief the department of justice and senate republicans although both of those venues have suggested they're not necessarily willing to hear from him. but it just goes to show that even with the president facing impeachment, he's not shying away from the conspiracy theories and unfounded charges that got him in this mess to begin with. >> annie karni, you wrote that the president may not debate come gene...

Seem to do the president any good. but the president himself was for it. he encouraged giuliani to go. he's asked for a readout. he has told rudy to brief the department of justice and senate republicans, although both of those venues suggested they're not necessarily willing to hear from him. but it goes to show his presence that even with the president facing impeachment, he's not shying away from the conspiracy theories and unfounded charges connected to ukraine that got him in this mess to darwin with. >> annie karni, you wrote that the president may not debate come general election season...

>> stream the completion of the wall which has gotten people bent out of shape. when that's your biggest contribution to the project, you do have to wonder if this person is in fact able to do it. i doe think seriously the president, when he's frustrated, when he doesn't trust anybody, he puts his family member in charge. so, so be it. he gives jared the responsibility. i do feel bad, though, for the people who report to him, because there are people acting in good faith in government putting forth these efforts to put up a security wall where there is a need for it in some places, not all. >>...

From the nfl, let's be real, is not always transparent. hasn't always been clear. he wants to control the narrative. if he wants to allow the media to conduct that workout at the falcons location, i think everything would have been fine. to back up the nfl, that's not how they do things. if you think the opportunities guys have, it's always a private workout. there's give and take. at the end of the day, there's no trust on either side. i'm not sure they can progress. >> what do you think he was worried about if the workout was closed? >> the fact that the nfl can control the narrative. they'v...