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Obstruct justice or attempt to obstruct justice. he could say, y he es, i did that, but my intent was to protect the office of the presiden presidency, to protect my good name, whatever it is is that is of value to me. that's why mueller wants to sit down in person to make judgment calls about whether or not when the president said i didn't intend to obstruct justice, mueller can credit or discredit it. >> david, before i let you answer, this is what cnn reporting said that mueller is particularly zeroing in on. these are the topics that mueller has given to president trump's lawyers. okay. so...

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