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Ukrainians while they tried to move around and redeploy elsewhere. just not sure. >> no question, i haven't seen images like the ones you showed us, ievan, what more have we learned about the buses going to and from mariupol. >> reporter: well the big question is how to evacuate the estimated more than 100,000 civilians believed to have still been trapped in the russian siege lines under the bombardment of mariupol. this morning, the ukrainian government announced that they had gotten a message from the international committee of the red cross from russia, from the russian military, saying tha...

Been bombarding the city for weeks and weeks. maxine, thank you for being with us. have people been able to get out of the city on these buses? >> hello. it is still catastrophic. they say they give the green corridor but there is no green corridor. they use their own cars to get out of the city or into the site of ergansk. it is about 80 kilometers from mariupol.

War. they didn't want ukraine to join nato. we were concerned about ukraine's overtures. how then does ukraine, the u.s. and it allies thread the needle here? >> that is exactly what they are trying to figure out. this might be a concession they are willing to give for the russians in exchange for ending the war, peace. at the same time, if they are going to do that, they need security guarantees in some form. they want article 5 type commitment. it is future defense. if we get attacked, everyone has to come to our defense. that of course runs into the same kind of problems as nato membership ...

But i, i don't want to put too much stock in that at this time because we don't have that much hard evidence. >> joined now by william, former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, ambassador taylor, as we mentioned, president biden says putin seems to be isolating himself and punishing, maybe, some of his advisers. to that point, do you agree with u.s. intelligence assessments that putin is being misled by his military? >> john, i think he probably is. the intelligence service is no better than i, but i, i'm prepared to believe them. what we do see the corroborate to that is a lack of direction, a misu...

Actions in ukraine. in fact, almost just the opposite. after day one of that meeting, we heard this from china's ministry of foreign affairs. a spokesperson said, as follows, quote, there is no ceiling for china/russia cooperation. no ceiling for us to strive for peace, no ceiling for us to safeguard security and no kreelging for us to oppose hegemony. if china declaring their relationship as having no ceiling, this comes just months after, of course, that summit between vladimir putin, xi jinping, declaring their relationship had no limits, before the invasion. back to you. >>kristie, thank y...