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Expire this time? >> absolutely. absolutely. we have to do that, joe. >> can i say i don't believe it? i don't believe it because -- are you speaking as a millionaire? >> i'm speaking now as a newly mended millionaire. i don't believe you are going to do it. bob woodard and i were talking about this on the show. in washington, d.c., everybody figures out a way to spend more money, cut more taxes, drive us deeper into debt. >> i think you are going to do it. >> we made tough choices in terms of cutting that domestic discretionary spending. next year, joe, it will be below where it was in years....

Education, research development and energy to grow in a way that offers the broadest possible perspecti perspective. you may not believe it, joe, but the president is going to win in november and we are not going extend the tax cuts for the wealthy. i'm looking forward to coming back here in the future and -- >> gloating. >> i hope you do. i hope he doesn't pass on it. >> will you have the courage, also, will the president have the courage to do what has to be done to save medicare? to save medicaid? to save social security. >> we want to extend medicare further. we are going to make reforms n...

Take them out and you have one heck of a race. >> there's no question the personality people have seen in romney, over the course of this campaign is not as attractive as his personality. >> no, it's not. he's a really likable guy. >> there's a huge gap there. the likability number, you can't win with that gap. the question is, can they display him in a way because personality matters more than issues in this. will people see more of what he's like? >> how would you counter that? if you were advising ed or asked to come on the campaign -- >> i think a 40-point gap is big. some will close natur...

My memory. a trillion dollars over the next ten years, mark, that was a substantial -- a substantial step forwards. we also have been arguing for a balanced approach to this. we need to do the cuts. we also need revenues. that's where it lies. i know you have congressman ryan coming in here. the question is whether we can deal with the deficits in a way that's balanced. are we going continue to go down this road of more and more tax cuts for the wealthy instead of dealing with the deficits. at the end of the day, the question is, how do you grow the economy in a way that provides the greatest ...