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Joseph cirincione is a nuclear policy expert at the quincy institute for responsible statecraft in washington. thank you forjoining us. simple question butjust how worried should we be about this lack of communication and the fact that they are not calling their own shots, are they? we should be _ their own shots, are they? - should be very worried. operating a nuclear power plant under the best of circumstances is a tricky business. these guys aren't homer simpson, they are trained engineers, they take very seriously, it's a delicate situation. the technicians at chernobyl or three mile islan...

U.s. ambassador to the united nations, linda thomas-greenfield, speaking about the dangers of a nuclear situation today. watch. >> by the grace of god, the world, narrowly, averted to a nuclear catastrophe last night. it was incredibly reckless, and dangerous. it threatened the safety of civilians across russia, ukraine, and europe. the united states remains highly concerned that russian military forces, controlling the chernobyl site, have not permitted operators there to have a shift change, since last week. this is highly irresponsible behavior, and causes grave concerns for continued, safe...

And here you have these operators operating at gunpoint under the command of a russian military officer who knows nothing about nuclear power plants. haven't been able to communicate with theirfamilies. haven't had a shift change since thursday. 0perating under duress. it is a recipe for disaster. you cannot shut them down. and we understand that several reactors at this site are shut down but, however, that has consequences. number one, you are now cutting off electrical supply for ukraine which is dangerous in itself. and second, even when you shut it down, it is still dangerous. those fuel ...

Another southern city. at least 45 marines died in that missile strike and the destruction is very evident, too, in the eastern city of kharkiv, that has been main target for russian forces, it is a city that the ukrainians desperately want to hold on to for strategic and of course, symbolic reasons. we're also seeing new satellite images of the chernobyl power plant, decommissioned plant and hearing the ukrainian workers being held there hostage for sometime now are being allowed to go home there is a shift change underway. no indication of any problems according to ukrainian officials, any r...

Would spread around the world as the radioactive material from chernobyl and fukushima did. >> absolutely. took another country to even warn about that. malcolm, the international atomic energy agency is warning that some of the operators at the nuclear plant haven't had a shift change. i think about doctors and pilots and other people that work in high stress environments, how they work for over a week without shift change. we would never allow that to happen. i know experts say we are in the clear now, but you're in unique position to talk us through this. is it too soon to breathe a collect...