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We had the eu ambassador gordon sondland before the impeachment probe today basically saying that trump and his lawyer were put in charge of u.s./ukraine policy and that america's diplomats were to take their orders from giuliani in their discussions with ukraine. so there is an aspect to this story now where you are seeing people turn on one another in a very direct way. >> anita kumar, susan glasser has just posted a piece in "the new yorker" tonight that is a reminder. aside from what happened today and in a way it was a big shiny object. yesterday's dust-up in the cabinet room with the spe...

>> i do. >> you do? >> i do, because i believe in their constituents, the people of this country, who are going to put america before any loyalty to party, their personal careers, the next election. they're going to do right for their kids and for their fellow americans at this defining moment of truth. we saw this before in 1974. no one thought at the outset of that investigation of richard nixon that it would lead to impeachment. but when the writing became clear, republican senators sat down with the president and helped him to make the decision to resign. we need that kind of leadership ri...

Ukraine as responsible for everything from hacking and social media propaganda to supporting hillary clinton. the problem is that bright, shiny object, brian, is really just a mirror. and the mirror reflects vladimir putin's narrative that he wants them to spin, the narrative being that russia did nothing wrong. this is all about ukraine. the indictment of two dozen russians, including 12 russian intelligence officers for hacking, social media propaganda, from the special counsel, that's all wrong. don't look there. nothing to see here. we're also hearing vladimir putin come to the defense of ...

Language to describe the president's southern exposure. how can that affect morale and work product inside the government agencies that must function here in order for us to function overseas? >> well, what happens is everybody has seen at the top at cabinet level positions what happens to those who speak out, have their own opinions, and try to give honest advice to the president. they don't last long. so you now have a secretary of state that has seen that over and over again and he's not going to let that happen to them. that trickles down through the state department when people feel they ...

Government agencies that must function here in order for us to function overseas? >> well, what happens is everybody has seen at the top at cabinet level positions what happens to those who speak out, have their own opinions, and try to give honest advice to the president. they don't last long. you now have a secretary of state who has seen that over and over again and he is not going to let that happen to them. that trickles down through the state department when people feel they can't bring the truth to the secretary and they will get perhaps punished for bringing truth and intelligence and ...