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Be able to show some of the words and images, because over the years, and people remember you for it, in the �*70s, �*80s, you focused a lot on taboo subjects. you know, i'm thinking of the human body — all of it, all of the orifices, all of the bodily fluids, of the faeces, the urine, the genitalia — all in different ways were taboos that you put front and centre in your artwork. have you stopped doing that? no, i think all those pictures still exist. they travel the world. we have a show on in frankfurt at the moment with pictures from a retrospective. we only want to de—shock, not...

Pictures still exist. they travel the world. we have a show on in frankfurt at the moment with pictures from a retrospective. we only want to de—shock, not to shock. sorry, you wanted to what? to de—shock. what do you mean by...? to take the shock element out of it, to make it a normality that we can live with. not that anyone has to throw up their arms in fear and... just to get normal about things, yes. the germans would say, "why do you want to be provocative?" we never wanted to be provocative... because that would be very superficial. that'd be shallow. if you were just simply trying ...

At the moment with pictures from a retrospective. we only want to de—shock, not to shock. sorry, you wanted to what? to de—shock. what do you mean by...? to take the shock element out of it, to make it a normality that we can live with. not that anyone has to throw up the arms in fear and... just to get normal about things, yes. the journalists would say, "why do you want to be provocative?" we never wanted to be provocative... because that would be very superficial. if you were just simply trying to evoke a shock... of course... ..that really wouldn't get us very far. we never, we never w...

No, i think all those pictures still exist. they travel the world. we have a show on in frankfurt at the moment with pictures from a retrospective. we only want to de—shock, not to shock. sorry, you wanted to what? to de—shock. what do you mean by...? to take the shock element out of it, to make it a normality that we can live with. not that anyone has to throw up the arms in fear and... just to get normal about things, yes. the germans would say, "why do you want to be provocative?" we never wanted to be provocative... because that would be very superficial. that'd be shallow. if you were...