So, this whole basic plan that was put together by the oil industry was, go to the mms, get them to approve ultra-deep technology and just coast by, not actually putting in place the ultra-safe drilling technologies or the ultra-fast response capacity that they would need if something went wrong. and they just cut corners, shortchanged safety and the people in the gulf are the victims. >> when you hear today that now the government flow rate team says it's upwards -- could be 60,000 barrels, their new high estimate, do you believe these numbers at this point? it seems like every week there's a...