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Or a republican at msnbc? which is harder? who's meaner? an insider's account. also, a cosmic cure for the science war. climate deniers, evolution rejection, one man who may convince the up convinceble using tv. all that and much more ahead this morning. let me start with a big question for the media industry. who in the world would want to take on rogger aels. the king of talk news sits on the throne with killer ratings and a right wing agenda. every successful business seems to spawn imitatoimitators. maybe people are intimidated by the powerful ales and his boss rupert murdoch. a few have t...

Through it. and by the end of the program there's a tapestry woven and that tapestry has you in the center of it. >> what sort of pressure do you feel to make sure it's entertaining, make sure people actually tune in for something like this. >> the nature of that question presumes that the real science and real entertainment cannot be the same thing unless one compromises to the other. >> that's fair. >> that -- the question presumes that. i can tell you that every night i look up at the universe, i'm entertained. every time i see saturn and imagine surfing its rings i am entertained. every ti...