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Before and i have complimented you on your efforts and i do still believe that you are a great public servant. on november 20th, hhs reported that it had overstated the numbers of enrollees by about 380,000. the chairman talked about that in his opening statement and he just asked you about it. this was because hhs included people with dental coverage too. essentially double counted them. how could you, how could that happen? i mean you knew everybody, they know everybody has a microscope on the program. so i'm just curious. >> so it is a great question. it was an inexcusable mistake and i thi...

Smart man at a great institution, collected over, actually, over $4 million in various fees and so on, your analysis, isn't it true that in order for mr. goldman to get his reduction, and he is very happy about it, in fact it was cost shifting including those so-called cadillac plans, isn't that true? >> affordable care act set up insurance exchanges which pooled risks for healthy and less healthy. on average, when you account for tax credits individuals received people are repaying less. >> i'm a taxpayer, mr. gruber. people like me are not paying less. people are paying more. taxes is a cost...

Suprempeople still under 250 wouldn't have it. >> let me ask you, when is the last time -- >> let me finish the point. president obama already cut taxes as he points out for 95% of working people by cutting payroll taxes. >> let me ask this question. when is the last time one of these poor people offered you a job? the people who are the job creators, the people who have money to invest, capital to put at risk, to build enterprises and they hope make more money are people that have some money to begin with. >> and god bless them, they are important. but sometimes you have to have consumers -- ...

Himself. if he believes he is genuinely innocent he ought to fight. if he believes and his attorneys believe he is guilty, it is to his interest and the party interest to cut a deal. once these kind of things become public it gets harder and harder and fits patterns that go back to a number of other members. >> chris: finally, about a minute left, speaker gingrich. you said the other day you have "never been this serious about running for president in 2012 and you will make a decision shortly after the mid terms february or march of next year." having gone through this with you in 2008 and i s...

Standing up to that kind of stuff and i think that was a mistake on the obama administration. i'm not going to let the right wing press off the hook on this. >> chris: what are the facts here, sir? the facts are her name had never been mentioned on the fox news channel until -- explain to me, why do you think the obama administration, why do you think -- let me finish. >> and then, chris. >> chris: let me ask my question and then you can answer. we do you think the obama white house administration fired her before her name ever appeared on fox news? >> did fox news play the clip that turned ou...