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In all candor one of the things i wish the president said last night was i heard him talk about the need to have a guest worker program. because he says we're at 3.6% unemployment and we need more labor in our country that. would help alleviate some of the crisis at the border. that is something i think the president should be more forth coming in saying he supports because i do think there's a possibility for partnership with democrats on that. >> joe, honestly it's so interesting when we listen to mark because it sounds like everybody's closer than the entractable situation that we find our ...

Voya helps them to and through retirement... ...dealing with today's expenses... ...like college... ...while helping plan, invest and protect for the future. so they'll be okay... without me? um... and when we knock out this wall... imagine the closet space. yes! oh hey, son. yeah, i think they'll be fine. voya. helping you to and through retirement. rob: welcome back, president trump signaling he may be open to building a steel barrier instead of concrete wall. jillian: is that snuff to bring democrats to the table or keep resisting 17 days of the shoutdown? rob: former u.s. armia captain jas...

Have prevented that shooting. >> going on until next year. that seems certain now. boris sanchez, thank you for being with us. >> reporter: of course. and let's bring in our panel now. frank bruni did not know zuel returned. >> no, didn't observe that. >> i am glad you survived. this shout down is lasting until 2019, and i don't see how it ends but you do see a capitulation here? >> ultimately he has to kau pat capitulate. you know, maybe in the end it doesn't need to be that much

Nancy pelosi does become in charge he will actually be able to blame her for this, but i just don't think that that is going to work. >> what about that -- that threat on twitter this morning, rick, the president saying quote, he's going to close the southern border perhaps if they don't build the wall? >> it's doubtful that he would do that. he certainly could do that. i think his base would like that but there's a lot of people that would suffer over that and it would be businesses and commerce that put billions of dollars across the border in trade every single day and then there's also the...

Border security money. i think both sides feel this is a limited shutdown. this is not open ended because every expectation is that if it continues until january 3rd, the first active nancy pelosi in power will be to get the government lights back on. so during the holidays, just -- the pressure is not there, and plus many of those republicans who were defeated don't seem that interested in making a deal. they want to get on with their lives, get their next post congressional gig. >> right. meantime, 800,000 workers dealing with uncertainty right now, daniel lippman, thank you very much. >> th...