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You do it in a way in a is -- >> i think -- >> im ear sorry. ben, i get it you're going to defend no matter what. >> that's not true. >> i think it's demeaning to the families. puts donald trump's ego ahead of the pain and suffering these four families are going through and i -- i don't think your a bad guy but you're defending -- >> i -- >> i do and i have. >> you don't. >> i have most certainly have. yes i have. >> in this conversation you've said not one thing about her. >> no. but the thing is, ben, this is donald trump extending this. this is donald trump dragging this out. he could have ...

>> you know, nia, one of the things that president bush said yesterday that i think was -- he said disagreement escalates into dehumanization. we judge other groups by the worst example the and judge ourselves by best intentions. it seems like that is exactly what you see going on when you see john kelly come out defending president trump, but then taking a whack at congresswoman wilson. if he wanted to look back on those comments that we have seen, he has this case that he's making that she is show boating, but another case to be made if you were looking at her best intentions, was to say thi...

For things he doesn't necessarily take credit for. i think we saw that with him sitting with the governor really trying to force the governor to praise him. he said we did a great job, didn't we? the governor came back and said you were there. immediately he was very loath to put that kind of praise on the administration, partly because it's an ongoing process. this is something that's going to on for months and months, probably years. so for the president i think to give himself and a plus off the bat is characteristic of them but an incomplete assessment of what's going on there. not having ...

Everything, and i get you have a contract, but what interests you about our side of the fence? >> look. when i first got here, i invested heavily into going into, no, and i realized that republicans were doing a very poor job of communicate, and i have always felt, like, hey. if nobody else is going to go out and spend the three minutes explaining our position, i'll go ahead and do it. so i have always felt like there is a great opportunity to talk to millions of people at a time and truly make a difference, and i'm excited that this next phase, i think will give me more of an opportunity to g...

>> they're show boating and shorting out their constituents that they committed to represent by not coming to meet with the president. it is obvious they had no intention of ever sitting with the president. in fact, they called the invitation a social gathering which nowhere in my letter did it say it was social. that goes to show you they're not serious. >> how do you respond. >> if they read the policy document or other substantive letters we sent them, also we looked at their budget. if you want to know what someone is thinking, look at the budget they propose. they propose cutting everythi...