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Made a cornerstone of his election campaign. the notion of building a physical wall. he has not been realized at this point. and he wants to make sure that it is. there is a huge political component to this. that is a major issue right now. even if it could have major ramifications. a shutdown cost a ton of money not just for the people that work in government agencies. but for the economy in general. financial people like to head certainty and as much ability as possible. still a major problem. a session with especially with the homeland security department has also going to be affected. than...

Do you think that park rangers who work around the country are making six figures? do you think they are making what betsy devos or wilbur ross make? on one day? they're not. and they're going to suffer. and they've got to feed their families. so it's very cavalier and it's very nice, you know, to throw out the entire drain the swamp line and all of this stuff. but there's very real people. some of whom, by the way, are probably trump supporters. who are going to feel a lot of pain in their pocketbook. >> steve, what do you think the 2013 shutdown cost? >> i don't know the number. >> and neith...

Probably trump supporters. who are going to feel a lot of pain in their pocketbook. >> steve, what do you think the 2013 shutdown cost? >> i don't know the number. >> and neither does the president, i would guess. right? $20 billion. .3 percentage points in gross domestic product. federal government had to pay additional interest on payments that were late because of the shutdown. hundreds of patients were prevented from enrolling in clinical trials at the national institutes of health. $4 billion in tax refunds were delayed. you really think this comes for free? >> chris, do you think a porou...

Now. let me get a sense of the cost of this shutdown. we talk about the agencies that are being scaled back or closed. just on a day-to-day basis, how much is this costing? >> the 2013 shutdown cost $8 million a day. that's going to be a significant toll that over the weekend it's not going to be quite as bad. there are federal parks that are closed, federal employees working while on furlough. but the real pain begins tomorrow where a lot of members including members. military would be working and not getting paid, at least until the shutdown is over. >> from a piece in "the washington post" ...

Who did stand up and fight for us. >> so palin also said it's time to, quote, stiffen our spines for the 2014 midterms. lynn, where will the growing fracture take the gop? >> i think in the primary it will help wipe occupy centrist republicans and it will get marginal figures who may nopt whip.upy centrist republicans and it will get marginal figures who may nopt whip. but because of the botched rollout of obama care, this has turned out better than the republicans expected. the shutdown cost everybody a lot of money. and there is a nickname for what the hard liners were called in the republic...